Where is the right spot for Kobe Bryant?

LeBron James is the most polarizing figure when it comes to the basketball GOAT list. However, the opposition to James isn’t based on his resume. That whole debate is tribalism at its finest. No reasonable person should be able to conclude that James is anywhere outside of the top two. On the contrary, the player who has the largest range of outcomes on the all-time list is Kobe Bryant. There is a subset of (younger) fans who legitimately think that Kobe Bryant is the greatest basketball player of all time. There is also a group who don’t even view him as a top 10 player. While the latter is much more defensible than the former, neither would be on the strong side of a debate. Kobe should not be anywhere near the GOAT conversation, nor are there 10 better players in league history as of two-and-a-half decades into the 21st century. 

How can there be such a wide range of opinions on Kobe? This is a loaded question, but there are both tangible and intangible reasons for it. First, Kobe wasn’t just a polarizing basketball player, he was also a polarizing person. His killer instinct and swagger earned him a devoted following, while his legal transgressions earned him an equally passionate group of critics. These factors are (likely) largely responsible for the most extreme placements in the all-time hierarchy. Someone who has Kobe rated as the greatest player of all-time is likely confusing his pop cultural significance with his basketball accomplishments, while those who have him outside of the top ten are likely conducting a morality test. Still, there is plenty of ammunition–good and bad–to argue for Kobe ending up in several places within the top ten. Let’s take a look at which makes the most sense! 

There is no question that Kobe Bryant was a superstar. Pointing out the flaws in his resume needs to be kept in context. Every player in the top ten has a phenomenal resume, so a healthy dose of splitting hairs is necessary. The only way to do it right is to identify weak spots (relatively speaking), and Kobe has a few of them. He was a fairly inefficient offensive player. His .329 three-point percentage is quite poor, and his .550 true shooting percentage is not even in the top 250 on the all-time list. Perhaps most damaging is the fact that his 2-point field goal percentage stands at an underwhelming .479. He is the only player with a reasonable argument for the top 10 who has a 2-point shooting percentage that is lower than .500, and he’s well below that mark. Given the fact that Kobe led the league in shot attempts six times and finished second three other times, there is strong evidence that he took too many poor quality shots. As a result, the margin between his offensive rating and defensive rating (110 ORTG, 105 DRTG, or a +5 margin) is not only among the worst of anyone in the running for a spot in the top 10, but it is among the worst of anyone in the top 100.

Now that we’ve outed Kobe Bryant for being an inefficient offensive player (at least compared to his elite counterparts), how on Earth is he even a candidate for the top ten? Well, that can be an easy question to answer if we want it to be. Kobe won five NBA Championships and two NBA Finals MVPs. That alone gets him into the top 10, considering Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, and Tim Duncan are the only other players to accomplish the feat. That combination is essentially a fast pass into the top 10 for anyone

However, there is more nuance to Kobe’s legacy that requires parsing at a depth that many fans don’t care enough to explore, but is crucial to finding his ideal spot, nonetheless. Yes, Kobe won five NBA Championships. However, he was the best player on only two of those five championship teams. Duncan was the best player on all five of his championship teams. Jordan was the best player on all six of his championship teams. LeBron James was the best player on all four of his championship teams. Shaq was the best player on at least 3–and possibly all 4–of his championship teams. Kobe is the only player among the realistic candidates for the top ten who wasn’t the best player on at least half of his championship teams. Additionally, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Magic Johnson all won at least three MVPs and average 4.75 between them. Kobe won just one MVP, and finished second just once. Based on his offensive inefficiency, MVP voting results, and how often he was the best player on a championship team, there is no reasonable argument to rate him ahead of LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (this could change if we heavily discount Kareem’s dominance due to weakness of his era and the fact that half of the available professional basketball talent played in the ABA during the bulk of his prime), Shaquille O’Neal, Tim Duncan, and Magic Johnson. That puts Kobe’s ceiling at #7 with two very worthy candidates still in play: Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.   

Kobe Bryant vs. Steph Curry

For many, this comparison doesn’t go beyond Kobe’s superior athleticism and height advantage. That’s unfortunate for two reasons: 1) Kobe and Steph played different positions, and 2) the NBA is 5v5, not 1v1. This comparison needs to focus on what each did in their NBA careers, and not what might have happened had they met on the blacktop at Rucker Park. The trophy cases between the two are very similar. Steph has two MVPs, while Kobe has 1. Kobe has two Finals MVPs, and Steph should also have two Finals MVPs (voters did NBA history a disservice by trying to be cute in 2015). Kobe won five championships and was the best player for two of them. Curry won four championships and was the best player for at least two of them. Judging strictly from their respective trophy cases, we’re looking at a stalemate. 

Now, let’s look at their career statistics and accolades. The biggest weakness on Kobe’s resume is the fact that he was an inefficient offensive player by today’s standards. His .447 career shooting percentage is brutally low and far below any of the other players in the top 20. Curry’s true shooting percentage is a staggering .625 compared to Kobe’s .550. His eFG% is .582 compared to Kobe’s .482. Curry’s 3-point shooting percentage is .423 compared to Kobe’s .329. Even Curry’s .524 2-point shooting percentage is far superior to Kobe’s .479. Curry wasn’t just an efficient scorer, he was also a volume scorer. He led the NBA in scoring twice, the same as Kobe. His career scoring average is almost identical to Kobe’s (25 to 24.7 in favor of Kobe). There is an argument to be made that Curry is the most lethal offensive force in NBA history. There isn’t a player the league has ever seen who comes close to matching his combination of 24.7 career scoring average and .423 3-point shooting percentage. Statistically speaking, Kobe is not in the same ballpark as Curry as an offensive player. So, how is this even a close comparison?

Well, Kobe does have some advantages. First, he was a superior defensive player. He was named first team all-defense nine times. Curry doesn’t have the same defensive reputation, although Kobe’s advantage probably isn’t as large as it appears. Both hold identical Defensive Win Shares per 82 games at 3.1. Certainly, Kobe gets the checkmark from a defensive perspective, but the impact there isn’t anywhere close to Curry’s margin from an offensive efficiency standpoint, especially considering defensive shortcomings are much easier to mask within the confines of a 5v5 environment. 

Another advantage that Kobe has over Steph is longevity. As of the end of the 2024-25 NBA regular season, Kobe had played over 300 more games. However, longevity for the sake of longevity isn’t necessarily a good thing. On a per-minute basis, Curry holds significant advantages in Win Shares/48 (.196 to .170) and VORP (Value Over Replacement Player)/48 (.103 to .079). Given Curry’s career is on the back nine, those percentages aren’t likely to change much, while Kobe’s “advantage” in longevity will slowly evaporate with each additional season Curry plays.     

One final advantage that Kobe has over Steph is the fact that he was named 1st team All-NBA eleven times. This is unquestionably an advantage for Kobe. Steph was named to the 1st team just four times. However, the competition at the guard position for All-NBA votes during Kobe’s career compared to Steph’s is like night and day. The NBA has experienced a backcourt renaissance over the last decade that has seen SGA, Luka Doncic, James Harden, Anthony Edwards, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, and Kyrie Irving fighting for All-NBA votes. Guard play during Kobe’s prime wasn’t anywhere near as strong or deep. Curry’s competition at guard is littered with players on the top-50 list, while Kobe’s was not. Again, this is an advantage for Kobe, but context is needed. 

This is a razor-close comparison that has no right answer. “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is on full display here. Steph Curry revolutionized basketball by taking a game that was historically contested within 15 feet of the basket and extending it to 30 feet. He found a cheat code. In some ways, his impact resembles the impact Babe Ruth had on Major League Baseball when he took a game that was historically played within the confines of major league parks and extended it outside of the park via the home run. Nobody has had as big an impact on how basketball is played in the NBA since the lane was widened from six feet to 12 feet in 1951 to prevent George Mikan from camping out under the basket. Curry was–and even still is–a unicorn. He is, by far, the most explosive and efficient point guard to ever play the game, and teams that try to get physical with him get the poison pill of sending the greatest free throw shooter in the history of the NBA to the free throw line. 

Perhaps the most impressive detail on Curry’s resume is his impact on winning. He is the only player since the NBA/ABA merger to win two NBA Championships without a teammate in the top 100. There is a strong argument to be made that Kobe never would have won a Finals MVP or been the best player on a championship team had the Lakers not acquired Pau Gasol during the 07-08 season. Before the Gasol acquisition, Kobe had never gotten out of the first round as his team’s best player, and his record with the Lakers over the first three seasons post-Shaq was 121-125. As soon as the Lakers acquired Gasol, the team went on a 22-4 run to close out the 07-08 season, and subsequently made the first of three consecutive finals appearances. Kobe was a great player, but Steph proved that he was capable of winning multiple championships without the aid of a top-100 teammate. In a very tight comparison, Curry’s massive advantage in offensive efficiency, his status as the greatest 3-point shooter and free throw shooter in NBA history, and his ability to win championships without top-100 teammates are enough to give him the edge over Kobe.   

Kobe Bryant vs. Kevin Durant

In many ways, the Kobe vs. Durant comparison mirrors the Kobe vs. Curry comparison, so we won’t need nearly as many words to get to a conclusion. First, it’s important to point out that Durant’s career is not over. His last act has yet to play out, and he is still playing at a very high level, so it is certainly possible that what he does to close out his career affects this comparison. Like the Curry/Kobe comparison, Durant and Kobe have very similar trophy cases. Both have two Finals MVPs. Both have one regular-season MVP. From a statistical perspective, Durant has the same massive efficiency advantage over Kobe that Curry has. Unlike Curry, Durant is actually the superior volume scorer as well. Kobe has the same advantage on the defensive end over Durant that he has over Curry. All things being equal, Durant would get the nod over Kobe on the all-time list just like Curry did. However, the elephant in the room for Durant is that, unlike Curry and Kobe, he was unable to win an NBA Championship while being the definitive best player on his team. He was also not able to win an NBA Championship without a top 50 teammate. Like the Curry/Kobe comparison, the difference between Kobe and Durant is razor thin. Durant is right on Kobe’s heels and may very well end up passing him even without adding championships. Unless or until that happens, Kobe’s seven NBA Finals appearances (three as the best player on his team) and five championships (two as the best player on his team) are enough to hold off Durant’s overwhelming advantage on the offensive side. 

Conclusion

The fuel for these debates is seemingly limitless, especially if we go beyond the surface in our analysis. Heck, if people want to ignore competition level altogether (which I do not recommend), arguments can be made that the three greatest players in NBA history are Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, and Bill Russell. So, trying to find a logical way to rank similarly accomplished players like Kobe, Curry, and Durant is akin to a logical labyrinth. However, if we’re willing to dig deep enough, cut out all of the noise that doesn’t have anything to do with what transpired on the court, and focus on what truly makes a great resume, we can almost always find something that makes sense not just in the micro (player vs. player), but also in the macro (player vs. history). For now, that lands Kobe at #8 just behind Curry and just ahead of KD.  

The ChatGPT Cautionary Tale

The vast majority of disagreements that you will find in the comments of the top-100 lists on this site have to do with how athletes from competitively weak generations are rated. Not only do these comments not surprise me, they are the reason this site exists. We are so programmed to pine for the good ole days when everyone and everything was “better” that any suggestion otherwise is met with resistance ranging from incredulity to straight-up vitriol. I’m not interested in rehashing why our idolization of the weakest eras is misplaced–I have written thousands of words on the site exploring this notion–but I will highlight the consequences of such idolization. For all of its benefits (and consequences), artificial intelligence is merely a reflection of us. ChatGPT and the like take a deep look into our souls and spit out our reflection–the good, the bad, and the ugly. Recently, ChatGPT was asked to list the greatest baseball players of all time, and the results were, well, totally absurd. There were zero players in the top 10 who started their careers after 1959, and just one in the top 15. This is, of course, a statistically ridiculous representation of the greatest baseball players who ever lived. Even the vintage league players who reenact baseball the way it was played in the early 19th century would side-eye the claim that the last 65 years haven’t produced a single baseball player worthy of the top ten.

This sort of disconnect from reality isn’t new. The Sporting News made the same miscalculation in 1998 when its entire top-25 list included zero baseball players who debuted after 1967. Bias toward the past is present in every sport, and it’s really hard to change. Fans take personal offense when an athlete they (or their parents) idolized isn’t rated in “the usual” spot. However, for the ordering of the greatest athletes of all-time to be a worthwhile endeavor, these top-100 lists must have integrity, which means they need to not only represent players by performance, but also represent eras proportionately by league size and competition level. 

ChatGPTs Top-15 Baseball Players of All-Time

By and large, most sports saw their weakest eras occur when their top leagues were either completely or largely segregated. Due in part to the Civil Rights Movement, the last three decades of the 20th century saw an uptick in competition level, but still proved largely inaccessible to the global population. Sports started to see a significant shift in global talent pools at the turn of the 21st century, which has led to the most competitive eras across the board during the 2000s. You will notice that every list on this site has the same basic framework, featuring competition level and league size as the guiding principles. If we don’t do this, these lists lose integrity in a hurry. ChatGPT’s opinion of the greatest baseball players of all time is all the proof we need.       

Why is David Robinson Underrated?

Dealing in the realm of opinion precludes us from ever truly knowing the greatest at anything, but Robinson is very likely the greatest two-way center since the NBA/ABA merger. He is what everyone thinks Bill Russell was. Robinson wasn’t just a defensive wall who led the NBA in defensive rating a record five times, but he was also an offensive force who is one of only three centers in the last 45 years to lead the league in scoring. In fact, Robinson’s two-way prowess is so unique that he is the only player in NBA history to have led the league in defensive rating and scoring. His impact on the NBA was swift and stunning. Prior to his rookie season in San Antonio, the Spurs were coming off a dreadful season in which they won just 21 games. With Robinson, that total ballooned to 55 wins the following season. This was the largest year over year improvement over the first 40+ years of the NBA. The team that beat that record? The 1997-1998 San Antonio Spurs, who improved their win total by 36 games when Robinson returned after missing all but six games the prior season due to injury (Note: The Spurs also had the luxury of adding Tim Duncan through the draft, which, come on!).  

Speaking of Duncan, Robinson’s greatness is often overshadowed by The Big Fundamental’s extraordinary career. However, Robinson’s trophy case is impressive in its own right. He won an NBA MVP, finished 2nd twice, and 3rd twice. He won the Defensive Player of the Year, and finished 2nd three times. All this despite missing two years of his prime serving in the Navy and his age-31 season due to injury. Robinson’s two-way dominance, stacked trophy case, and the eye-popping ledger below easily places him among the 20 greatest basketball players in NBA history.

David Robinson’s Resume

1). Only center in the last 50 years to have a season of 20+ Win Shares

2). Only center in the last 50 years to have two seasons of 18+ Win Shares.

3). Only center in the last 50 years to have three seasons of 17.5+ Win Shares

4). Only center in the last 50 years to have four seasons of 17+ Win Shares

5). Only center in the last 50 years to have five seasons of 15+ Win Shares

6). Only center in the last 50 years to have six seasons of 13.5+ Win Shares

7). Only center in the last 50 years to have seven seasons of 13.5+ Win Shares

8). Only center in the last 50 years to have eight seasons of 13+ Win Shares

9). Only center in the last 50 years to have nine seasons of 12.5+ Win Shares

10). Only center in the last 50 years to have 10 seasons of 12+ Win Shares

11). Led the NBA in Defensive Rating a record five times. 

12). Led the NBA Playoffs in Defensive Rating a record five times.

13). Most points by a center in a single game since 1962 (71).

14). 20 point margin between Offense Rating (116) and Defensive Rating (96) is the largest of any player in NBA history with a career ppg average of at least 14 points.

Editor’s note: This is my favorite David Robinson stat.

15). Only player in NBA history to have led the league in Defensive Rating and scoring. 

16). Only player in NBA history to have career averages of 21+ points, 10+ rebounds, 3+ blocks and a .515+ field goal percentage. 

17). Only player in NBA history to lead the NBA in scoring, blocks, rebounds, free throw attempts, free throws made, Win Shares, Value over Replacement Player (VROP), and Player Efficiency Rating. 

18). All-time leader in Defensive Box Plus/Minus

19). 3rd all-time in Win Shares/48 minutes

20). 4th all-time in Defensive Rating

21). 6th all-time in NBA Playoffs Defensive Rating

22). 6th all-time in Player Efficiency Rating (PER) 

23). 6th all-time in Box Plus/Minus

24). 10th all-time in free throws per 100 possessions

25). 12th all-time in Value over Replacement Player (VORP)

26). 16th all-time in Win Shares

27). Only player in NBA history with 170+ Win Shares while playing fewer than 1,000 games.

28). Only player in NBA history with 80+ VORP while playing fewer than 1,000 games.